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Accusation without any proof. Accusation without any proof. Accusation without any proof. Exaggerating a bit? Exaggerating a bit or are you just stupid? Exaggerating a bit? Now you say that lol. Accusations without any proof will not get you anywhere Ray. I didn't bother to read the rest because it's probably the same crap you have done since yesterday; Use your good english skills to wrongly convinced some idiots that you are right. It's not because my first language isn't english that I can't see your arguments stands on nothing. Honestly you have said so much **** and you speak like it's true and you ask me why I did it. Why don't you start by PROVING me it's true. I'll bring back my old example, your whole clan is associated with the 9/11 terrorist attacks, I have no proof but why don't you tell me why you did that?

I'm asking people who will give me a real answer. Not a totally biased answer. Here. <Bawb[AFK]> Do we crash more than other clans? <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> Not at all <Bawb[AFK]> What clans crash you more than us? <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> Probably CP <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> DP would be after CP <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> But mostly CP <Bawb[AFK]> what about like <Bawb[AFK]> MM/FOE <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> Yeah as we're speaking I have 3 clips of MM crashing <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> I was just looking through my clips and FOE has a couple time and EOP never crashes us <Bawb[AFK]> Can I quote you cause some idiots are saying how we crash more than other clans <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> Yeah, sure <Bawb[AFK]> thanks <[iR]Tha_H_E_A_T> No problem Are you going to tell me I'm on good terms with IR?

Asher won the topic. Safe, I am willing to argue in a mature way with someone who understands basics of logic. "so you having not ever pulled 100 with no signups makes no sense" ...the truth is we haven't pulled without signups, period. We do them every week. In my opinion they don't influence the pull at all, but if you are right and they do, what's wrong? Why don't you do it? Maybe we're the new clan with the revolutionary idea that will change the world forever? (Exagerating a bit here but you get the idea.) Last time MM had signups we still beat you so how can you still say that we are only good cause of signups? Explain that one to me, then we'll keep going about your other half assed arguments.

I'm not even going to argue with you as you make no sense whatsoever. Rather not be "UNANIMOUS" and still steal your pixels on a weekly basis. SURPRISE SURPRISE r[]fl ^ That really made me laugh.

sry man fi pwnz srry wont hapen agen. fi #1.

<Asher|N17> since we had the ir war like in summer mm have crashed us every week So you're in the same league as Carnage or do you just crash everyone for no reason? Want me to start asking clan leaders who crashes more between MM and E? Why would I go ask a clan that claims 3 clans died into us, claims we're a bunch of lvl 60s in mith who mass, claims we need signups to beat them? As for the whole Malice deal, I don't understand what you're crying about. MM got just as many Ex-Malice as E did... Hell, one of the ex-Malice leader was trying to recruit the most Malice he could to MM. I'm just stating facts, not saying if this is right or wrong as it's none of my business. Stop being a crybaby about it. EDIT: Cake, how long ago was that? And you're saying we're a disrespectful clan because one of our members said there was a lot of spastics in whatever clan he was talking aobut?

So when an E member posts theyre biased and when a non E member post they "have no saying whats so ever". 1) ApeJr - doesn't afraid of anything. - GAP - 2) Biased idiots - are biased. 3) Non E idiots - have no say whatsoever. It's pretty clear ApeJr has won this, we can all go home. Happy new years ApeJr, maybe one day I can be just like you.

Because it's in a private convo with a friend/leader. He knows I can take criticism and if we did something wrong he would have been honest and told me. Either way this is irrelevent, if you don't want to believe him, go ahead and believe the other quotes from people who are not in Epidemic. I can probably get more as well.. <Bawb[AFK]> Asher you got a minute? <Asher|N17> yo <Bawb[AFK]> Do you think that Epidemic crashes more than other clans? <Asher|N17> no lol <Bawb[AFK]> thank you Notice how they all find it funny? It's not a "nah not really" it's "no lol". EDIT: Just for Matt <3 EDIT: o... <Bawb[AFK]> Sorry to bother you but do you think that Epidemic crashes more than other clans? <[DP]Rob> nope

Is he really walking on water? O_O

And another... <Bawb[AFK]> Matt <Bawb[AFK]> as an ex clan leader do you think Epidemic crashes more than other clans? <Iced_Havoc> no <Iced_Havoc> rofl.

Except we beat you for one month and a half straight? And I am damn proud of my colors I don't know what you're talking about. 1) Epidemic 2) MM 3) FOE 4) EOP 5) CP/FI/DP - Unsure yo.

and I am claiming that the whole staff of ascendency were associated with 9/11. Where's your proof? As I said, the whole ascendency staff like to associate themselves with terrorist organizations. Once again, where's your proof? I cba to write a paragraph: 1) As I said, most of the time we crashed A's fight it was unintentional. I was and still am friends with Anthony, I know I use to try and stay away from your fights as much as possible. 2) We have different views on this so there's no point. We will not crash someone who unintentionally crashed us once but when it's blatently intentional and it happens more than once, we will pay back the favor. 3) Once again you're obviously making it look like we're the only bad guys. You're making it seem like no-one crashed you but us. I'm not saying that makes it ok. I'm just using this to prove my point that you're obviously biased towards us. <[A]T_Adrenaline> the whole clan world's mindset was skewed back then <[A]T_Adrenaline> back when foe crashed everyone <Bawb[AFK]> my mindset wasn't skewed <[A]T_Adrenaline> it made it seem okay Once again, we have different views on this. We have done this once in nearly 3 years of being open. I think it's safe to say we had a good reason. I don't really care about explaining the reason and what really happened cause you obviously think differently and that's your choice. Once again, you don't need proof but what you say is already proven? You're smarter than that Ray. Please explain me how did you prove that we crash more fights than other clans? Let me bring that quote again. <[A]T_Adrenaline> the whole clan world's mindset was skewed back then <[A]T_Adrenaline> back when foe crashed everyone <Bawb[AFK]> my mindset wasn't skewed <[A]T_Adrenaline> it made it seem okay And another... <Bawb[AFK]> Do you think Epidemic crashes more than other clans? <[CP]honey> lol NO As I said, Epidemic was single'd out on that event and pointed fingers at. The people who attended simply defended themselves. If EOP would've been single'd out I'm sure the same would have happened. Can't prove it though as that's an "if". It's just logic anyone can understand. You mix everything together. I go by the saying an eye for an eye. If everyone went by it and everyone had a brain, no-one would do anything as they don't want to lose their eyes. I'm not going to let myself get walked over and forgive those who don't give two ***** about me. When's the last time we crashed a clan outside of one time FOE vs MM in almost 2 months? When's the last time another clan crashed us in the last two months? I think it's safe to say that my way of thinking as done a lot more good for the community than yours. Nearly everytime we crash someone, unintentionally or provoked, we have a few idiots spamming our IRC. We hit someone before they have a planned fight when no-one told us anything, we get our IRC spammed. I barely get complaints from other clans that my members spammed IRC. The few times I did, there was consequences. You're trying to make it seem like Epidemic as a clan encourages spamming people's IRC channels when your OWN leader does it nearly everyday. I never treated Ascendency like an enemy. You treated us like an enemy because one member acted upon being mad and nothing was carried out. Don't try and blame this on us. You had something against Epidemic that wasn't backed up by any facts, or at least, very poor facts. You just need to blame someone for whatever crap that happens. By saying why we did it you're basically assuming it's true and trying to convince others that it's true. We do not encourage our members to spam other people's channel, we don't crash more than other clans and we certainly don't crash without a good reason. I already explained why we did everything you did. Yes you are throwing a lot of **** without proof and you're exaggerating everything else. As I said several times, I was friends with Anthony and other Ascendency members and I still am. You're the only one who took personal the fact one of our members acted when being mad and made threats to your clan and nothing was carried out. @Jonty: I understand what you mean but I don't think TGG leaders approve that. They probably didn't know or it was a new rank or something. I really doubt they would approve it. =/

hi5 unban me from ur chan noob

I miss-expressed myself. I am showing him that some individuals of his clan and other clans are just as bad. You dont see me running around saying OMG ALL X CLAN ARE SPAMMERS cause one or two idiots spammed my irc. That's my whole point.

You do realise H Drop Nub is an Ex-member? We would let an Ex member lead the clan? You're wishing you had something that never existed.

Thanks for proving my point. I'm showing him his clan or other clans are just as bad if not worse, I'm not trying to start bashing on any clan. You don't see me generalizing to the whole clan.

<Bawb[AFK]> did Epidemic spam you guys in the past month? <ruwnskepe> nope lol why? <Bawb[AFK]> cause Ray's making up ****. He is in EOD as well.

I don't think it's about being a ***** or not. However some people have to stop living in a fairytale. Life isn't pink everywhere and you can't let people walk over you.

I don't really care. I'm not here to tell you how to run your clan but when someone makes up ******** about my clan when his own clan did it a while ago, I find it rather amusing. EDIT: Wow... For some reason KJ is still in FI in my head. My bad. I know it was a while ago and it doesn't even matter. Whatever my point still stands, we never had H Drop Nub leading us in a fight.

Last time you clearly said we porn bombed your forums hence why I had to contact Anthony to prove you were making up ****. This time I read over your wall of text and confused you saying IRC instead of forums. I'm sorry for that. Either way, you NEVER pmed me or any rank about that member spamming porn in your IRC. Yet you blame the whole clan for one guy? I'm cool with a few EOD ranks and I haven't got a single PM from any of them regarding this. I haven't heard about it from anyone but you. Once again, show me evidence or I can just say your whole clan spammed my IRC and no-one but me saw it, I whoisd them all. There is no way in hell we crashed you nearly every week. <[A]T_Adrenaline> ya it wasnt crashing nearly every week <[A]T_Adrenaline> when i said 3 times a month <[A]T_Adrenaline> thats about how many times we'd die to you <|Tyler|> You have crashed us <|Tyler|> but not nearly every week <|Tyler|> that might be a little far fetch <Bawb[AFK]> thank you Don't give me that **** dude. I know we did crash you a few times, most were unintentional cause I was cool with some A members and Anthony, some were when we targetting someone on our "crash list" and you happened to be fighting them. Yes I'll keep my opinion. What goes around comes around. If you crash us, expect to be crashed back. You don't have to agree with that one and I'm not denying it. Also I know a lot of leaders go by that so saying "I don't think anyone does" is wrong. Either way, I consider myself smart enough to make an opinion for myself, it's not because the majority of our little runescape community thinks something is right or wrong that I have to think this way. <Bawb[AFK]> Is it right to crash back a clan that crashed you? <[EoP]Goop> I think so yeah <[EoP]Goop> Karma Isn't that your leader? I can see that I'm obviously the only one thinking this way. Oh please do so. You also pmed me saying you were responsible for our hacking last September. I can go dig it up, but I really don't have the effort to. Stop making up ********. I was never there in the first place or I wouldn't have let it happen. I still apologized because I represent my clan. What I was saying is that people made it out to be bigger than what it was. HALF the clans there teamed up vs. the other half pretty much. Epidemic was the only clan people pointer fingers at. No matter what you say, the truth is, it was blown way out of proportions. You are extremely biased against Epidemic. I've read several posts from you on PC's staff board and you basically blame Epidemic for every bad aspect of the pure world. Let's see, your leader spam (has been doing it for several weeks), your leader agrees with me on the fact that you should crash someone who crashes you intentionally, you have your fair share of members who flame, what's next? Lmfao. I have to face my crimes? How can you contradict yourself so much in the same post. People can crash me and I shouldn't crash them back but I have to face my CRIMES? Give me a break. I don't care about the haters, they're entertaining. I see them telling me to face my crimes lmfao. We got a fall in on H Drop Nub? Really lol? Can you show me a picture/vid/proof? We never had a fall in on him lmao I don't know what you're on about. Ownage Milk shows up at the odd trip but he doesn't attack other clan members in fights. Wait wasn't it Fatality beind led by that Delinius main a couple months ago? I was not there so I won't talk about stuff that I don't know. All I know is that several Epidemic member who were there said they didn't start the BSing. I have trust in my members and ranks when they tell me **** like that. Honestly Ray you have to face the truth. You're holding a runescape grudge because one of our staff acted upon being mad and nothing was carried out. Your arguements are total crap. EDIT: As Plode said, you said nothing of importance backed up with proof. Except for that TGG Xmas trip which I already apologized for. I'm probably done replying here, I already wasted enough time. Go ahead and write another wall of text, I probably won't read it.

On the note of people spamming other clan's IRCs... I got this just now.. (21:49:34) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:36) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:38) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:40) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:42) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:44) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl (21:49:46) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl <Bawb[AFK]> Can you stop spamming me with your bot? <{mike}> What bot is it <{mike}> BlueLikesHairyMen? <Bawb[AFK]> yes <{mike}> Thats not mine <Bawb[AFK]> anyways <Bawb[AFK]> What about [EOP]Bot <Bawb[AFK]> ? <{mike}> Mine are [EOP]Bot BLACKUP and R-Ya-RdY-KiD <Bawb[AFK]> well can you stop spamming me with these? <{mike}> [EOP] is mine <Bawb[AFK]> I got spammed by them oday <{mike}> ? <{mike}> I never spammed you? <{mike}> (21:39:33) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG <{mike}> (21:40:11) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG <{mike}> (21:40:11) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG <{mike}> (21:42:00) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> LoLGEEGEE timers off <{mike}> (21:43:00) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> LoLGEEGEE nick BlueLikesHairyMen <{mike}> (21:43:00) * LoLGEEGEE is now known as BlueLikesHairyMen <{mike}> (21:43:12) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #tgg <{mike}> (21:44:06) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #tgg <{mike}> He has his own <{mike}> Probs him <Bawb[AFK]> ? <Bawb[AFK]> so it's one of your ranks? <{mike}> Idk probs <{mike}> It wasn't me <{mike}> I'll ask him <{mike}> (21:54:02) <@{mike}> [EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P <{mike}> (21:54:08) <@{mike}> Did you spam bawb[afk] <{mike}> (21:54:26) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> no <{mike}> (21:54:41) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> hes in #TGG <Bawb[AFK]> so you're letting your ranks spam TGG's irc for whatever reason and at the same time get all the "innocent" people spammed? <{mike}> No <{mike}> I told him stop <Bawb[AFK]> ... Ray isn't that your leader?

Really? I talked with Anthony (Ascendency's Leader) the last time Ray said our members porn bombed Ascendency's forums and he said that you got spammed but there was no proof whatsoever that it was from Epidemic. I just pmed Sefket (EOD Leader) about Ray's claim of "a group of members spamming EOD's IRC" and here's the result... <Bawb[AFK]> Did a group of Epidemic spam your irc recently? <[EOD]Sick> I think we did get spammed today <[EOD]Sick> didnt see names, <Bawb[AFK]> Was it Epidemic? <[EOD]Sick> not sure mate He's the main leader and he's not even sure if it's Epidemic yet Ray knows it's us right? To me that just proves my point that he's a biased idiot. Let me add in that I am friends with both of these leaders and I am more than positive they would alert me if my members were being idiots like that. Hell, Sefket warned me about one of our applicants last week, he wouldn't PM me about my members spamming his IRC? Give me a break. As for the "threats an Epidemic rank made". I apologized for that in the past, that member had acted while he was mad. Want to know why? He was mad because Ascendency had crashed one of our fights since you were mad we had killed you earlier while you weren't even in a fight. Oh wait? Did you crash us? Then you must've "hit an innocent" clan as well? Want to talk about the crashing? We have reasons to crash certain clans. We have kept off several fights, we have ACed several fights, don't give me the **** like "omg we are the big bad guys who crash all the innocent clans". I don't recall crashing any Fatality fight. I always had respect for them, even when we took #3. I've been leading the majority of trips for the past year and I'm 100% sure we did not crash a Fatality fight. For the TGG xmas event. BSing started that wasn't caused by Epidemic members and E/CP/EOP members teamed up to fight everyone else. Epidemic was singled out because of a few MM and FOE haters fueling the fire. Hell, I even apologized in leader's section for whatever some of our members did when I wasn't there. I won't even argue with the fact that he says our community has gone downhill. As I said in my first reply, you are absolutely clueless.

I founded this clan and I'm still here today. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about my clan. No where I said anything like you mentioned in your post. Ray I told you writing wall of texts doesn't make you right. Half of the **** you said are total lies and the other half is like "omg they spammed my irc" when it was like one idiot member who most likely got striked/booted afterwards.