Nippon

Ya bro like this weekend all da time :cool:

1. MM 2. FOE 3. FI/DP 4. FI/DP 5. CP I guess we came up fairly even this weekend, next weekend should show the #3 :thumbsup:

You can apply for FI, of course theres no guarantees that all of you will get in before all of you apply and come to trips. If there is a clan that takes 5 people in without apps as a bulk I wish that clan good luck as they're not likely to see the end of the year. Why FI? Our rank team rapes in activity and experience. Had some rough times after all of our ranks suddently quit last summer, but now we're back with a bigger, better and more active rank team than ever. http://rs-fi.com/ and #Fatality gl applying. Edit: Oh miniz? Ya we got those.

Was hellofa fun, although only had one totally clean fight (vs CP). Gf to all clans we fought.

Gratz MM. To clear it up, Fatality was having a planned run-in with CP which DP crashed, we cleared DP and continued the run-in with CP when you crashed. Don't listen to everything people tell you. You crashed us second time when we fought DP at hill giants.

FI beat you at east of BH stairs before EOP crashed, also beat you when you crashed our fight against CP. But don't listen to me, read the topics yourself. 1. MM 2. FOE 3. FI 4. DP 5. CP

Damnit and this had to be the 1 trip I missed this weekend... well w/e, we raped on friday and saturday too :) Gf all clans

I was surprised to see we had 4th most numbers of all pure clans with a 47 peak, explaining why it was hard to get fights, though. Gf all clans.

FI starting opts was 90ish

Oh I'm #1. Nice. Good fight ya'll.

When FI was number one they had more mith than any pure clans. Mith + melee rush was the signature of Fatalitys most dominant era. L2history.

Nerd and proud of it. In my book anyone who plays RS or goes to RS websites is a nerd. That includes you, me and anyone else reading this.

I said that strongly encouraging/forcing was the purpose of the topic, not that it succeeded in doing so due to a too obviously biased and poorly prepared start. Relevance not as much to your arguments as to the original purpose of the topic. If 30 def is indeed becoming dominant and pures are shifting to 30 def for PKing benefits, then doing as the topic asks is just pushing the inevitable. If it isn't then this topic has no point to begin with. In that case I'm wrong, I thought you only joined a year or 2 ago. Most of those clans I didn't stick around for very long, a few weeks at shortest, and yeah I'm proud of having been around that long, I've seen clans fall and history repeat itself. But yeah /offtopic, I'll make a post on thop later.

I used a radical example because you didn't acknowledge it from my original message, It's obviously no longer forcing since there has been this strong opposition against the idea, but let's say that only a few clans would actually have been on the naysayers list (as was obviously the original intention of this topic), I'd say that those clans would feel very much left out not joining the other pure clans. Forcing, strongly encouraging - whatever this is just wordplay again. If 30 def becomes superior to 1 and 20 defence there is no reason why pures should exist after a certain cb, or at all. The point of being a pure is to be able to dominate people of your own level with your stats, if this is not possible (as it probably isn't in the future with more def updates), then pures are a dying breed, and there's no point in hanging on to traditions. But until then I'd love to keep a clear concept of what a pure is, so that I can still call myself pure when I log on to RS and people know what I mean. Yeah I most likely have, I used to go to FOE trips every weekend a few years ago, back when I still knew the leaders (though I doubt Dave would oppose to me coming along anytime nowadays either ;) ). I'd also say that I've been to more MM trips than most current MM members and more EOP trips than many current EOP members. How long you been FOE, a year, two? yeah...

You don't see the similarity in making your PKing more difficult in both cases? As I've said I have nothing against FOE wearing whatever they want on their trips, I'm just annoyed by your attempt at forcing your ideology to the pure community as a whole. Call it "announcement" or whatever you want but it is what it is, you debating about the matter with me so passionately pretty much proves my point. 30 def isn't any recent development, I can remember TLP having 30 def people on their trips 3 years ago. Nor is it a rising trend that the pure community needs to be saved from. I've also been in many other clans, including TLP, TP, VD, EOP, CP, SO, EO and AL and I've probably been to more FOE trips than you have over the past 5 years. I have op in #fatality because I deserve it and use it well, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't try to make arguments ad hominem anymore. We'll see how 1 def works out for you, good luck on your endeavours. PS. Russell get in IRC if you're reading this.

And here I was thinking I'd write yet another reply... nvm ima go make pizza. Also, I hereby declare this topic owned by me.

I didn't say anything about 1 def gear. Giving away advantages you have, like def bonuses, is like making your PKing harder in other ways, like tying your hand behind your back or not using food. Understand? Well, first theres leather, then theres iron, then theres steel black and mith... who draws the line? You? Nty. Rather I'll have the line drawn where it's always been drawn in the history of pures in RS2 (and in most parts in RSC). I'm clanless and retired, I don't feel threatened by anything. I don't feel the need of dividing clans to 1 def clans, 5 def clans, 10 def clans and 20 def clans, or even 30 def clans... the system works quite fine as it is, with all defence level pures fighting each other. The amount of 30 def pures is minimal in pure clans, and I don't see it as a rising trend.

I could've just as well used the example of tying your left hand behind your back when you PK, the point isn't whether it has anything to do with the defence skill, the point is that there's no point PKing like that. You can try if you want. As I already said, it makes a big enough difference that pure clans make use of it. Mains have nothing to do with this, the definition of a pure is and was 20- defence. Some of the best and most famous pures are 20 defence and use 20 defence when PKing, theres no reason why the definition should suddently change, other than whatever personal purposes you/FOE may have. I can't believe you're still saying it was just an announcement... it was clear the minute this topic was posted that it was nothing of the kind. I've been acting and PKing like a pure for 5+ years, this includes all defence levels between 1 and 20 on several accounts. If I had a 20 defence account I'd call it pure 'til the end of RS2, and I'm sure that many other pures wouldn't like to be characterized as mains either. If it's up to me FOE can PK in whatever the **** they want, I couldn't care less. If you want you can all get 40 def and start using rune. But I'd appreciate if I didn't have to see any more topics where you supposingly present an idea, but in effect only promote your clan in the expense of other clans, and even go as far as to make immidiate false assumptions on the participance of the other clans.

Defensive advantage != defence skill. Defensive advantages include being able to click fast, having a lot of people around you, and yeah, eating. The point isn't to argue about the meaning of the words, the point was my example that shows how eating helps you defensively just like defence bonus and how the use of both is common sense. Having more defence bonus makes a difference, otherwise people wouldn't use it. I don't understand your second argument, on another occasion you said that this is about being proud of our skills, about being a pure (definition of which is and has been for 5 years 20- def). "Merely an announcement"? Allow me to quote: "Save the Pure World" "Will you drop your mithril or adamant sets to help save the Pure World?" "Clans who support:" "Clans who do not support:" "whats it gonna be FI, support or no support " etc. etc. You and I have a very different idea of what is "merely an announcement" To me it seems that this is another attempt from FOE to pursuit their own gains and make other clans look bad, another attempt at making the pure community do something that offends half of its members or alternatively a very poor and biased presentation on an idea that brings nothing new to pure clan PKing, but rather downsizes the already poor selection of equipment that pure clans can use on fights.

Healing is not a defensive advantage? Think again. I don't know how FOE deals with equipment but as far as I know all clans encourage the use of defensive bonuses where possible; boots, leather vambs when binding, staffs and d'hide to tank and so on... it's common sense for a clan that likes to win their fights. This is not a new idea in any way, many clans (I know FI does) constantly war/mini in 1 def armor. To suggest what is essentially forbidding the use of other than 1 def armor entirely is another thing. I still fail to see any use at all to the pure community as a whole from this. Don't get me wrong, I'm 1 def and I think 1 def is superior to any other defence levels, but the people promoting this idea have failed to present a single good reason for such a drastic change.

Theres no reason to use your own personal gains to take away advantages from people who have chosen to/accidentally gained defence for black/mith/mystic/whatever. Oh nvm you're doing this to save the pure world... Most people use both offensive and defensive advantages in their PKing... or do you often PK without food/protection prayers and naked? Using 20- def armor is just another advantage along with those. If it was somehow impossible to PK a person in 10/20 def armor I'd understand your frustration, alas as far as I know it isn't. Perhaps it's fun to you, personally I love the extra variety 20- defence armor brings to clan PKing and warring especially in F2P... the fact that you have to consider what your opponent is wearing instead of blindly clicking at anyone in monk robes makes all the difference - funwise! Pure clan PKing is worse than it was in the days, but it certainly has nothing to do with the traditions passed on from pure clan to pure clan for years, the definition of a 20- def pure. Instead it has everything to do with the recent (or not so recent) changes made by Jagex Ltd, as well as changes to the way pure clans fight each other, including returning/spying/crashing. I wonder who introduced those.

What a nice way of treating my neutral opinion as a retired pure community member as the answer to a question you directed at a specific clans leadership. Try again. EDIT: I would like to ask Pure Warfare moderators to remove this topic or the entry on the first post stating that I am a representative of FI clan. DOUBLEDIT: Nvm he fixed it. I still believe that the starter of the topic is making false assumptions on the participance of certain pure clans and the topic should be carefully moderated for flame baits.

What a nice way to present your idea to the pure community and single out clans like that. I hope that FI ranks have the courtesy to treat this as the miserable attempt of a flame bait that it is.

1-20 has been the definition of pure for as long as I remember, this is because 10 def and 20 def both have some advantages in F2P and P2P, in solo pking and in clan pking. I don't see any reason to change how things are. I'm 1 defence. It's not like pure clans only fight each other (or that they should). Being able to tank worth that extra defence bonus is an advantage that I doubt anyone with 20 defence would like to give away. Thus this idea is doomed to fail as it has in past years.

Was a fun trip, I'm glad that we're getting good fights from clans of our size and level once again :thumbsup: