Bob

I thought you could have server-specific rivalries like "IR and DV are having a good rivalry in P2P"...

That is EXACTLY the point of the topic. Based on your statement MM wasn't #1 up until after the war. Which is the problem. Full Out wars aren't as representative as people make it seem and they have such a big impact. It's not a signup or be booted policiy lol. That's what people like you (to avoid using bad language) try to make it seem. As for your second statement, it's obviously wrong seeing as FOE use to beat MM 95% of the time on trips and MM won the full out war. I'm not trying to bash on MM here, simply stating the facts and using you guys as an example because everyone knows what hapenned in the MM vs FOE war.

David get off this topic and Ray we have no full runners but I'll tell them you said hi when I catch them on.

I just don't understand how you keep considering yourself a top3 clan, nevermind you giving us a lesson lol. I guess we won't ever be "socially accepted" lol by those we beat left and right on weekends. This topic was about the importance of full out wars versus an important trip and it turned into "now its like 3 sex offenders destroying a little kid." lol. We both know who got destroyed the last few weeks and we both know what will happen in the next few weeks. I'm done arguing here unless I see a reply that makes at least a bit of sense lol.

It's either you crash intentionally or you're just careless about every clan and walk blindly in everyone. And I know that because a few months back E use to pull a lot less than MM and we would get crashed by you on average once a trip, so would other clans whom I would talk to. We don't "Argue" with these clans unless it's P2P because we are still about ~7 in P2P so we do compete with them. Certain clans (like IR/EOP) constantly flame us so E members enjoy killing them even if its 70v10. Runescape is for fun and I don't see why hitting clans with less people make us less of a competitor for others. Last trip for example we fought FOE, MM and FI And still fought several other clans. Once again you don't make sense, on a signup you can either say yes or no, saying we treat every weekend as a full out because we have signups is totally retarded lol. We run the clan the way we want and just like several other clans we like to have signups every week to have an idea of what the weekend will look like. Also we use that data to do inactivity sweeps instead of posting a topic once every few weeks "POST HERE OR GET BOOTED" lol. If it isn't hard to be consistent with signups week after week then why wouldn't you do it? How exactly does having signups every week make you worse than someone else? I don't see harm in having signups and our members don't mind getting +1 post every week for only posting a yes or no on a topic. If anything, it's a good idea and you should use it, it's definietly not making us any worse lol. EDIT: Im pretty sure MM use to have weekly signups for EVERY SIGNLE trip lol. Except you guys would get 30-40 signups and pull 60 because your members didn't take them seriously. And let's say you weren't the most consistent clan back then. So saying "it's easy to be consistent" with signups is being totally ignorant.

Pretty sure Fatality preped extremely hard for their last trip and they pulled 60. As for the req raise, it was fine from some random member but I'm disapointed to see that from a leader lol. Requirements really have nothing to do with how well you are performing. As for the crashing, people see us as crashers because there's a few idiots here trying to make us look like **** but in all honesty, MM crash just as much if not more than us. Hunting clans that can't compete? We ran into FOE and MM last weekend, you didn't even run into us. Saying we only hunt clans who can't compete is a load of ********. EDIT: The last paragraph might make it look like you guys were scared, that's not it, I'm saying you guys didn't have to find us to rush us, we ran into you because we wanted a fight, knowing MM had a few more and FOE was about even opts.

Currently we don't really have a main rival however we're trying to improve a bit so we can trade wins with FOE/MM.

1) Ok I seriously had to read this like 10 times to understand what you tried to say but it STILL doesn't make sense. So basically we avoided MM a month ago when they had 20 more people on trips and because of that you're saying if we would've fought them then (when they had 20 more) we would have lost so many times, so in other words if we would've fought them we would've had a "bad record"? Dude seriously, turn off your monitor and work your brain for a second because you're not making any sense. 2) ONCE AGAIN, this doesn't make sense. So because we have 80+ stat reqs lvl 90 can't be in E? Also I'm pretty sure a lvl 90 can attack a 65 in lvl 20. Our average combat lvl is 70, if yours is above 90 then you should maybe reconsider what "Pure" Clan means. Either way this is totally off topic and you don't make any sense so I'm done arguing with you.

1. Doesn't make sense what is there to hide? 2. Doesn't make sense with the current discussion. 3. The whole l2whatever was old a few months ago.

1) Thanks for the advise but how does growing balls make us more top-3ish? 2) What the hell does requirements have to do with anything here? 3) I can't even understand this lmfao. We're not talking about P2P nor Overall and what does "High Leveled Pures" have to do with anything lol.

Ill have to talk to you about the def thing tho but since I've heard good things about you and you have quite a bit of experience I think I can make an exception. PM me when you have a minute.. (if you're interested that is).

In your first paragraph you explain how pk run-ins aren't fair because one clan always have some advantage, I agree to a certain extent, for example, having a good returning position is up to the leaders. If you're organized it's relatively easy to move and get a good position. Same goes for ground advantage. If you always get hit while you're spread, then don't spread for no reason? And I can't talk about everyone for crashing, but it's all based on respect, you may say Epidemic crashes all their fights but that's because you're blinded by all the ******** that's thrown at us. If you want to discuss that, PM me on IRC it'll be a pleasure. Also, all that is nice but it's not true that ALL fights are like that. Often you will scout a clan in altar and rush them. However all this is besides the point because as I said, you explain how pk run-ins aren't fair. My point is that Full Out wars doesn't represent a true clan's strength and people give too much importance to full out wars. And the way the CWars arena is made has nothing to do with the arguement lol. Also Idk about you but I rather have a clan rush me while Im spread than fighting a clan with 15 people on me cause they mass recruited. I believe the number advantage is a much bigger advantage, at least if you're able to control your clan. If you get hit while you're spread, you might get a bad start and lose 5 people while you kill one and get organized but it's not nearly as bad as being 15 down.

You can't compare it to a sport season. Say football for example, X team won't bring 20 people on the field instead of the usual 11. For the majority of sports, it's nothing but pure performance. To all E members, I don't care if some idiots are gonna bait you, they're not worth your time don't answer/quote them. Mods will take care of them.

Hatton has spoken. Also may I suggest to make this forum not increase post count?

Yeah obviously but now you're comparing a Full out war to a crashed fight during a trip... You can't compare this together, I'm comparing performance on a weekly basis versus performance on one fight that was planned for a while and that people will (most of the time) do anything to win. OBVIOUSLY I agree with you but we're just not looking at the same thing.

Who's m4n? I made this post because several people here give too much importance to full out wars (in my opinion) and I'm trying to understand why. Also this forum needed a good discussion topic.

Huh, Idk what clan you're in but I'm pretty sure most clans have mandatory weekend trips. (If you're on you're expected to attend). Full out's are more organized in what way? And my whole post is about how it really DOESN'T show a clan's true potential so arguing by saying that they do show true potential doesn't make sense, answer me by saying HOW they show true potential. As for the TLP remark, I haven't paid attention to who shows up to their wars and trips so I'm not gonna argue on that. And I do agree that full outs do show your strength at a point in time, I'm just annoyed how much people will cheat to "raise" their true strength and even more annoyed at how people see a full out war.

Before I start let's make it clear that I'm in Epidemic, Epidemic members & ranks are scared shitless and we **** our pants everytime someone even mentions a full out war. We simply don't have the minimum IQ requirement to do a full out war. In other words, we are physically unable to battle in a full out war on runescape. Now that the flame baiting crap is out the way, hopefully we can have a good discussion. What happened over time that made full out wars so important? What's the real difference between a Full Out war and an important trip? I might have had the wrong idea in my mind the whole time, but isn't it better to do good on a weekly basis than do good once every few months in a full out war? How can certain clans pull 200%+ of their average pull to a full out war lol? Why is it that people value full out wars that hapenned several months ago over the average performance of the last 2-3 weeks? That just doesn't make sense to me. Now some of you are gonna say "OMG BUT FULL OUT WARS REPRESENT A TRUE/FULL CLAN STRENGTH!!"... I'm not even going to lie, I've been around for a bit now and I've heard/witnessed a lot of **** about full out wars. To name a few examples: - Adding alternate/secondary accounts on ML in the 24/48 hours or while accepting the war. - Lending member's accounts to friends to maximize the amount of accounts on the battlefield. - Swtching some names during the week and/or Adding a small amount of members during the week. ^ THAT to me, isn't what I call representing a true clan's strength. Now you can say, "Yes but people will actually try harder to make the war". That is entirely true but it certainly doesn't make what I said earlier untrue. Hell, it doesn't even outweight it most of the time. That's what I have to say, I'm trying to bring a good discussion on these boards because (no offense) most of the latest posts here have been kind of pointless. =/ I also know that it will be hard for some of you to control yourself from flaming/baiting me, sometime's it's good to let it go so my PM box is empty, let it flow! :D I've also requested this topic to be moderated heavily by Pure Warfare ranks so anybody breaking the rules will hopefully be dealt with severely. Thanks, Bob

F2P 1) MM - Beat FOE & E. Nice pull. 2) FOE - Was wining against us I believe. Thanks for the fight 3) Epidemic - Beat Fatality and most of the below. 4) Fatality - Lost to E 64v60. Did you pull more than 60? Either way nice pull. 5) Devastation (?) - I'm just guessing tbh... Flame away all you want I'm out for the rest of the weekeend!

I won't make on long reply, just join the same clan as your brother that you love. :D #Epidemic if you have any questions.

holy **** I haven't posted here in a while what's up gaise, long time no see.

how ken u say dat. E is so much older than fi!!@@@@

Pretty pathetic how ALL the replies are baits towards whatever other clans. Then we have people saying the pure community is ****. No wonder.

Epidemic FOE vs MM F2P FullOut

Yeah no problem any time. You're a legend.