Present day clans - thinking outloud

[famguy]

Hello guys, I've played runescape for 8 years and recentely quit 4 months ago. However, I still have a little knowledge in the noggin to share with you guys.

 

First, I would like to applaude the averages of all clans taking a substantial rise is in the past year. Many medium leveled clans such as Carnage consisted of averages hovering just above 80, where they are now hovering in the range of 90. To clans such as Carnage, DP, DV, congratulations.

 

Next, a question/comment infused, to create possible controversy.

 

Are present day clan's relying on their averages, levels, and renowned pures to get them recruitment?

My personal opinion is... Yes, clans do rely on their averages, clan's do not rise nor fall in one day, but it seems clan's whom open with 30 members and have relatively easy requirements, but extremly high averages do not make it very far because they think they don't have to recruit.

 

However, this is NOT TRUE. I've seen clans start on 2 or 3 dedicated leaders whom have showed true clan pride go farther than clans starting with 30 or 40 members. This is because the leaders feel that "30 members is a good start for our first day." WRONG! If you have 30 members on your first day, your clan isn't succeeding if at the end of your first week open you have 28 members or 32 members.

 

Tribulation, I have no intention on flamming. However, I'm only informing with constructive criticism.

 

Tribulation, you've been open for a couple days. You started in the med 20s and you haven't progressed very far. I feel that you guys have potential and I hate to see you guys aren't on the path to succeeding in present day clan society. Although it is early in your opening, you must get on the right path to climb the ranks. Roman, I read your post and I feel that clans can succeed today, but they will also have a harder time. Many clan's feel they can win mini-war after mini-war and that will provide them a foundation. That is wrong, and usually leads to maybe 2 months of mini-war domination.

The reason I am pointing you out is because you had asked if it possible for clans such as yourself to succeed in today?

 

YES IT IS! But many new clan's aren't taken serious because you'll have weak leaders who opened the clan to have a dominating clan, which can't happen overnight. Eventually those leaders who quit their clan in hopes of creating an ultimate clan, fail because they don't want to spend a few weeks building a weak clan into a clan with a foundation.

 

LEADERSHIP reflects on your clan.

 

BUT. Personally I feel clans have no future when they're sitting on 40 members and can't recruit. You need to recruit early. If you're starting with 20 members, you should have 40 members by one weak of opening. By a month mark, you should have at least 35 active members. By a 2 month mark you should have an active memberlist consisting in the range of 70.

 

START EARLY WITH YOUR MANDATORY EVENTS. Weekly events are important. thanks for your time. I know many of you will agree, but you'll have those who are negative who will try to say. "NO YOUR THEORY IS WRONG, IM RIGHT NOT YOU."

[Tiger]

I'm not sure whether this belongs here, but it's a good message to all low level and new clans. Hopefully this summer this community can grow and be active again.

[-Charlie-]

you've got some good points

[KJ`R4in F4ll]

tl;dr the wall of text.. Carnage closed btw

[Silent Lie]

Some good points made :sorcerer:

[Adam-V Mazed V]

Very strong understanding on pure clanning, some very valid points made, Its hard to get a clan up and running succesfully and 70 members in 2 months isnt easy, however I'm going to give it my best shot with Infamous and ill be taking the points i agree on onboard with me :thumbsup:

[Gack]

tl;dr.

[Jonty]

Except that carnage closed, Dv has like 10 active members, and all the new clans do it ***** and flame each other on pure warfare.

[`NEIL]

Your right i reopened zenith with new staff and old staff which was just like 5 of us.After 2 weeks we grew into 20ml and was still weak but after patience and hard work we accomplished alot for a low lvl clan.Your points were good :)

[Jake]

Some valid points in this topic for low level clans, btw Carnage closed :(.

[Nippon]

Averages have nothing to do with the early recruitment of a pure clan (if it does for higher clans, personally I couldn't care less). What matters is a good and active core rank team that recruits, is friendly to apps and listens to them. This same active rank team should be prepared to keep it going for at least a year nonstop, no matter how succesful the trips are.

 

Numbers are not a must, there is a large variety of pure clans and you'll always find someone to fight unless you're alone on the top or alone at the bottom. To keep a clan going you need good athmosphere and good trips, that's it. Why did FI slump last autumn? We had a few bad trips because we were pushing too hard, that led to a bad athmosphere, which led to even worse trips. This happened because we lost our capable ranks 1 by 1.

 

The only difference in present day pure clans is that the competition is tougher due to the environment... in old wildy any low/mid clan could easily avoid higher clans and concentrate on killing their competition/random teams. With 2 BH and 2 PvP worlds that's just not possible anymore, you have to be ready to get smashed by a larger clan and just remass and return.

[Pal]

i stil have faith!!!!!!!!!

 

jk

[Roman]

Tribulation, I have no intention on flamming. However, I'm only informing with constructive criticism.

 

Tribulation, you've been open for a couple days. You started in the med 20s and you haven't progressed very far. I feel that you guys have potential and I hate to see you guys aren't on the path to succeeding in present day clan society. Although it is early in your opening, you must get on the right path to climb the ranks. Roman, I read your post and I feel that clans can succeed today, but they will also have a harder time. Many clan's feel they can win mini-war after mini-war and that will provide them a foundation. That is wrong, and usually leads to maybe 2 months of mini-war domination.

The reason I am pointing you out is because you had asked if it possible for clans such as yourself to succeed in today?

 

YES IT IS! But many new clan's aren't taken serious because you'll have weak leaders who opened the clan to have a dominating clan, which can't happen overnight. Eventually those leaders who quit their clan in hopes of creating an ultimate clan, fail because they don't want to spend a few weeks building a weak clan into a clan with a foundation.

 

LEADERSHIP reflects on your clan.

 

BUT. Personally I feel clans have no future when they're sitting on 40 members and can't recruit. You need to recruit early. If you're starting with 20 members, you should have 40 members by one weak of opening. By a month mark, you should have at least 35 active members. By a 2 month mark you should have an active memberlist consisting in the range of 70.

 

START EARLY WITH YOUR MANDATORY EVENTS. Weekly events are important. thanks for your time. I know many of you will agree, but you'll have those who are negative who will try to say. "NO YOUR THEORY IS WRONG, IM RIGHT NOT YOU."

m8, you make some very solid points, but Tribulation is running fine, we are still recruiting and will be starting official trips this weekend, we have a solid staff that will work hard when needed and when not needed.

 

As you said, we weren't like "YES 30 MEMBERS GREAT START", no we planned and still plan on keeping up, recruiting day by day, though we ran into a problem with our site today that we will fix here shortly, we will still use a backup site for our applications until its up. We only do mini's to work on orginization and to test strategies that me and the other ranks come up with.

 

We have fantastic levels, leadership, and experience who will get **** done.

 

Trust me, we don't plan on making a foundation out of minis, just wait and see, we'll suprise ya :).

Thanks for the pointers.

[Matty]

Except that carnage closed, Dv has like 10 active members, and all the new clans do it ***** and flame each other on pure warfare.

shut up noob

[Jonty]

shut up noob

 

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[`Rage]

Cp's requirements were 85+ stat in 2006, pretty much when we got to our feet

 

Runescape really has changed, more significantly the pure clan world has had its regressions, from PCL where organization was at its arguably best when clans fought, to earlier in 2009 when pvp started and organization was just down, then you have this year again when that type of thing is maximizing all over again

 

You can say leadership needs have regressed, its just for clans who can't maintain themselves without a stable community with loyal members, Cp doesn't even need me anymore, im sure other clans would be fine if some other guy took over like Fi

 

The way i see things, its been quite stable and i would say nice in the pure clan world, i remember all the arguing, flaming and overall stupidity of clans, even if there's just 7 of us left now we all have some sort of respectability apart from the hardcore occasional flame thread

 

This is not to say that you wont see stupid posts from individuals that arent representing their clans when they speak up

 

However, when i see all these new clans talking about how they're going to rise up and do something, i mean, i can't honestly see much flavor in that these days, that ride just used to be so open for new clans out there, but now its too hard and too much crap goes on for one to say you'll get tired of it when you try your best but the conditions of current clan pking dont help you