Dave

Not really, anyone who actually knows me would know if I was mad my post would have been ~600+ words lol. I'm not DF so not sure why you think I'd care, just not happy to see clans using autowins to win lol. Even if I was active in NME I still wouldn't be happy bout this. Not all of us do anything to get by.

Not quite sure why this was posted as its disgraceful to both NME and DF. Getting by on an autowin isn't something to brag about and certainly not something to advertise. To the Enemy I'm friends with who are posting autowin, kinda disappointed lol. W.e., GL vs VR/RSD

Didn't have a mages book, and congrats on getting 3m max rofl - shame 3m to you is a good PK rofl. Where is the pic though. Maybe if your clan wasn't full of rag pkers you'd have better kills?

Considering half of our member base is ex-cp who have already seen the light I very much doubt it. Good try though, I'm sure when the rest of your clan hop to us we can somehow mould them into semi-decent members. le3t charlie prateek are ex-cp in nme *says half of nme is ex-cp* Cool didn't know you have a strong 6 man memberbase, maybe you can keep recruiting and peak at 10 in the summer. Charlie, Prateek, IVP, Poison (I think) and Scott are all ex-CP, and that's just the ops. I could continue if I wanted to dissect the rest of NME but I just don't have the time or energy. I'm ex-cp too. (Another op) Absolution practically closed into CP back in 2008, a lot of which are in NME today. I'm ex CP.

Foe obviously due to their history of P2P high opt fights. Would have been more interesting Foe + Fi vs NPO + TLP but oh well.

Sadly my friends this was the clan of Infinite Retards one shot at a get out of the asylum free card, and they lost. Back to the asylum IR <3

MM+Z.

No they arent for the most part, there is minor ddosing during raids and stuff but thats it. Even the main community doesn't have this degree of extremity in regards to hacking/ddosing damn, I think it's a maturity thing too. Hacking forums or brute force attacks go on all the time for pures Its because the majority of the pure community are below the age of 20 and hungry for power and want to feel special.

No they arent for the most part, there is minor ddosing during raids and stuff but thats it. Even the main community doesn't have this degree of extremity in regards to hacking/ddosing

You can get one for 5$

Despite the fact I'm a large supporter of DDoSing during fights in the main community due to the moral degradation it causes, however in the pure community you've taken it to a new extreme which is DDoSing without being provoked and continuing it even once the clan isn't warring. Its time for either the clans which are being targetted to start looking into backup teamspeaks for trips (you can easily obtain a strong public server and create your own room, PM me for more info) and possibly implementing new procedures such as an FA process to help narrow down possible spies and eliminate them. Otherwise you'll have to deal with it - the people behind it won't stop no matter the amount of topics you make and the only way they'll stop is when they realize it no longer effects you. Forums: IRC activity is crucial during a forum attack. The creation of #clan-priv, #clan-fa, #clan-officials, etc is furthermore crucial as it allows for discrete discussions regarding clan material outside of #clan-main. Teamspeak: Backup Teamspeak/Vent servers (mix it up) as well as public servers will make your weekends much less stressful. Ingame: Don't go on strange teamspeaks or click strange links or even visit other clan forums. Learn to change your IP or use a VPN. Furthermore - in addition to stricter application processes and FA periods its also going to be upto those being targetted and those in the community who want to see an end to these acts to work together and force the perps to cease their acts of aggression. The below scenario will explain it better: Clan X: NH clan who is ddosing and hacking Clan A and Clan B. Clan A: Has a rivalry with Clan B and Clan C and Clan X Clan B: Has a rivalry with Clan A and Clan X Clan C: Has a friendship with Clan B and a neutral stance on Clan X During midweeks and weekend trips when Clan X is out, Clans A,B,C need to ensure that they are consistently targetting Clan X together and ensuring that Clan X suffers with terrible trips which will in turn lower member moral. Furthermore an ultimatum should be laid down for Clan X with terms and conditions of a truce, and PW as a site which promotes community should take action against Clan X should proof be discovered. A warning at first, followed by suspensions and ultimately a ban. Just my two cents.

The propaganda from NeXuS has gone on long enough I do believe and as such it is time for your topic to be dismantled. I think its worth stating that holding an uncapped return fight at Greaters is probably one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Purely because of the ease of returning that is presented in P2P at greaters you have to take "the last clan standing" with a grain of salt and consider various other factors that are present during the PKRI including gear, numbers, and of course the KDR. To start this post off I shall use the video that NeXuS themselves were kind enough to hand me: Point 1: The video you've provided clearly skips over more than 1.5 hours of the fight as is seen by the following pictures with the below showing the first death by vidder at the start of the fight: Picture 2: After the death of Dazzy there is a clear cut in the footage which restarts about 1.5 hours into the returning fight after Foe have already reached 400 kills to 70 deaths. Generally speaking in a PKRI where you have been dominating and end up winning you show the entire fight especially given that YT now allows 15 minute videos to be uploaded. Picture 3: Just to highlight how poorly NX were performing the below pictures details the pitiful gear from the majority of NX members which is a stark contrast to the poor gear of a few FOE. Furthermore, look at the numerical superiority displayed by FOE on the minimap in the below pictures. Picture 4: Now if you were doing so well and not trying to just mass return to keep people on the field so FOE would grow bored why would one of your members "purposely" keep dying? Picture 5: Foe mains who return and mass barrage gdz when there are Foe members in the clump? You have no concept of how mains sniping for a clan works in P2P. Picture 6: Before I launch into the theory and logic which all these pieces of solid evidence provide I would like to just show the world how NX moral was during this war (notice the deaths of some of their members as well just to show exactly how bad this massacre was): That intelligence must have been lost in an effort to make sure you were mass teleporting up so it never ended Applicants/friends add to the clanchat? Nice to see the ragging started early So as is clearly seen by the above pictures NX were being dominated through the duration of the fight, to the extent that they were forced to cut over 75% of the fight out of their video recount. The KDR supports this theory as do the pictures which detail the number of deaths their members have suffered, as well as the low moral evident from some of the spams/cc statements. According to you NX you "forced" FOE to call of returning in a quote by TheGodKing: There is a major difference between forcing a clan to end and them ending willingly out of boredom. To explain this to you I shall first highlight the difference between forcing and willing: Forced: adjective /fôrst/  Obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power Willing: adjective /ˈwiliNG/  Ready, eager, or prepared to do something Now albeit I'm sure NX are quite familiar with boredom I shall explain that as well: Boredom: noun /ˈbôrdəm/  The state of feeling bored Now as I'm sure everyone can imagine mercilessly slaughtering anything be it a clan, people, debates for hours on end can become quite repetitive and repetition leads to boredom. So when you are confronted with a 2hour PKRI at GDZ in P2P where you have accumulated over 400 kills and suffered less than 100 deaths no doubt this would be classed as a merciless massacre and given the location of the massacre the massacred were able to easily return over and over so as to keep people on the battlefield at any cost. As such when returning is something which can be done in under 20 seconds unfortunately being the last clan on the battlefield doesn't hold or bear as much weight when it comes to decided who has ultimately won. Ultimately in a PKRI where the location allows for rapid returning KDR and dominance are what determine the winner due to boredom setting in and because a P2P PKRI at GDZ has the potential to be a never ending PKRI leaving the battlefield with a 4:1 KDR ratio over the other clan does not constitute a loss. Now given your clans history as being propaganda lovers and your inability to accept a lose I can see how you may try to rationalize yourselves as the victors given your position as last to leave the war zone, however you need to understand that any clan, even a clan of level 30s with 90+ mage could win an uncapped P2P PKRI at GDZ because of how quick returning is and as such a clan who claims a win for being last on the field especially with a KDR that is not remotely close, let alone positive, is indeed a clan full of desperation for a method with which they may further blind their members. Juhx: Even if you had been victorious at this fight the day one midweek PKRI determines who is #1 is the day the community has fully converted into an insane asylum. You lost the KDR, you lost your banks, all you really are is #1 rag returners as FAGG0T said in the above picture and unfortunately for you NX you gained nothing from it. PW is not as blind and clueless as your members and will not believe the propaganda BS you spew like a broken sewer pipe. If the fight had been at dwarves, MG, NMG, Vents, or anywhere but GDZ you would have had perhaps some solid footing with this claim of victory however because of the location your points were null and void and as such the victory had to be based on three points: KDR - Foe won this by a long shot Dominance - Foe won this as well Numbers - Foe won this Last Standing - NX you had this but the location made it null Final Ownage Elite were the ultimate victors in this battle for all the reasons provided above, and as such this topic is moot. NX it was a fun fight but you need to stop trying so hard for a win topic. Come out on Sunday if you truly believe you are #1 and lets try this again or any other time during the week - though really, its time to face the facts and the cold truth NX which is that you are not #1, you are no where close to #1, and that you succeeded at nothing except entertaining Foe for 2hrs, boosting their overall KDR significantly and filling their banks.

Your video is 4mins. Difference?

No def cap.

The term pure has always been a highly controversial and debated subject once the original wilderness and PCL era passed. Ultimately the definition of pure is subjected highly to a moral standard and should not be subject to absolutism. The adaptions made by the pure clans which have adapted clearly are accepted by the members of those clans and if a certain clan or certain two clans have issues with it perhaps they should just keep in mind that they still win certain fights. Personally for those clans which have progressed to 30 or higher defence, I'd suggest just going 45- def or even removing the defence cap entirely and ultimately generating two MLs: * The primary (main) ML which would contain all members of the clan * The secondary ML which would be for those members within the clan who are still 30- defence This would ultimately open a new recruitment base for clans, and possibly serve to revitalize the rune pure/tank community. As for restricting themselves so they can leech off this dying community, if the community is dying why would any sane leader restrict themselves to it? Furthermore, unless the laws of PW have changed since the glory days of Px/HF/VH (R.I.P) - these clans whom do eventually accept 40 def would still be able to post aftermaths and recruitment topics. For those clans who believe that 35+ def should be barred from the site - in the end it'd result in the death of PW. TL:DR - Go either 45- def or no def req with only a combat cap and have two MLs.

Copied from EoP boards.

Cry for the wilderness when you have PCL, than go to PCL when you have wilderness. Well done.

Good job TR <3 though single spells please.

Not sure where in Enormity's eyes they possess the right to criticize a clan on pulls. Has Enormity even grown past your 34 man ML? Furthermore as for the decreased pulls that is entirely due to Enemy's strict rules and activity requirements. They just performed a 30+ man sweep for rule breaches and inactivity/wrong sign ups, which effectively cuts their pulls down a minimum of 15 people however for Enemy - having a solid active core of dedicated and skilled fighters is far better than a massive memberlist with massive pulls of barbarians who lack discipline and intellect. I've said it before Enemy is a special class of clan, an elite group who are essentially the S.A.S (or other counterparts such as Spetz, JTF2, SEALs, Rangers) who believe in a strict set of guidelines. Enemy may have dropped in pulls but as can be seen they lack little in heart and ability for they had an amazing trip, something your clan has few of because as clearly is seen by your post Enormity believe solely in numbers, something which you lack. Furthermore, now would be a bad time to intentionally irk Enemy given that if their pulls are decreasing and you are pulling anywhere near them they might just decide to pay you a visit which won't end well for you. Enormity shouldn't really talk about other clans memberlists and pulls, rather they should be attempting to fix their own and get past that 40 man ML. @NME, well done keep up the mighty fine work boys.

Point being, its quite evident its multi. And @Crisis - so you chose to walk away from the fight, thus giving the win to NME. And given that your returners were coming in from the south, NME had a valid reason to move south, you opted to leave the battlefield and attempt to claim a false win. Try again. Ok, great enlightened one how come when you watch their video they kill like Three kids and the vidder stays a far as the fight as he can and leaves the beginning out. Also funny how you're crying about mains when.... (19:20:33) -[QC]RuneScript- *** [ R J GRAY ]: Overall 1,858 | Att 99 | Def 91 | Str 99 | Cns 99 | Range 86 | Pray 70 | Mage 94 | Cook 74 | WC 87 | Fletch 87 | Fish 78 | FM 72 | Craft 66 | Smith 66 | Mine 68 | Herb 72 | Agil 70 | Thief 65 | Slay 77 | Farm 62 | RC 63 | Hunt 52 | Con 54 | Sum 75 | Dungeon 32 About 2:26 in. So where do you have this proof of that being an NME main - there are random mains and you do have more than one rival clan (Revenge) The proof of the main I showed was one within your clan chat based on the orange dot shown. Furthermore, the beginning of the fight was NME transitioning over to the east stairs and not overly important. I could ask you why your vidder cut out his returning however cutting out the end of a fight where you only have 5 or less people is a bad sign and with NME still on the battlefield you essentially gave them the win and attempted to use your video to claim a false win.

Point being, its quite evident its multi. And @Crisis - so you chose to walk away from the fight, thus giving the win to NME. And given that your returners were coming in from the south, NME had a valid reason to move south, you opted to leave the battlefield and attempt to claim a false win. Try again.

OK must I really do this every week? You are now trying to claim a win over NME when first of in their vid they quite clearly have shown themselves clearing you. So where do you get this win over NME? Just to show that Venom have once again input false information into their topic in a futile attempt to spread propaganda I shall once more using your own video and NMEs prove beyond a shadow of a doubt who the true victor was in this clash. So first we shall take a look at your video which clearly shows NME dominating you from the get go despite your attempt to crash: And your video cuts out shortly after you run north. Based on the entire length of your video record of events, you rushed north from your hop spot or login spot and attempted to crash NME - likely based on information passed to you by CP - and upon NME recognizing this fact they swiftly reformed on the stairs and proceeded to push into you thus engulfing you in a sea of green. From this point on it was just pure domination as can be witnessed from your video and theirs and from the multitude of screenshots I've provided. So we shall than proceed to pick up from NMEs video I believe it goes without saying that NMEs video representation of the events of today has shown far more of the actual story than what was depicted by the ranks of venom in this post. It should be noted that one of the pictures above also shows a main being added to Venoms clan chat - the same clan that might I add has complained about "sniping mains from other clans" Suffice it to say that Venom has once again attempted to spread propaganda about events and failed to do so correctly. If you intend on spreading false wins attempt to make it believable. You lack any sort of screenshots of your fight with NME and your video cuts out after showing NME pushing south to the location where several of your members are thus leading them to believe there is a mass login occurring. Should Venom have indeed been the dominant clan at this point you surely would have pushed south and cleared them, rather you start moving northerly and cut the video off. As a side note: Returning in green chaps with a dds. Nicely done.

Once they are on the ML I won't say anything. By the way, pretty sure Tyluh isn't on the ML at all. But meh, Chaotic oops, Revenge will say anything to fix their name. Going bout it the wrong way Duval @Kyle, I keep my VR SWAT sig for the same reason I keep my EH sig. Pride.

My information is sound. None of them were on the ML, as such you did not pull the entirety of your ML if they are indeed Revenge. Furthermore, I never knew that you were in the business of allowing randoms to attend events without being on the ML/atleast intro'ing. Worse than MM. Also, it should be noted that Duval if he is indeed BigDaddyOreo is an incompetent leader as he forgot to add himself. Revenge can cover up their disgraceful lies all they want, can make false claims of ex-Ch all they want but in the end all it comes down to is an easy attempt at a member grab - key example being Tyluh aka BAYLIFE. He has openly stated he will not make an application nor be on the ML, but it consistently allowed to attend events. Please be sure to before you attempt to disprove a valid claim that the evidence you post supports you in entirety.

Well I suppose I'll say congrats on the win since it was matched opts, however your pull wasn't impressive. You brought randoms/friends to your prep and as such I don't think you can really be said to have pulled your full ML. Fall in outside: (understand the randoms) Soldiers in battle: (15:42:07) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Think Wiser was not found in the RSHSC. (15:42:54) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Your B34t M8 was not found in the RSHSC. (15:42:31) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Bigdaddyoreo was not found in the RSHSC. (15:41:10) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Iliiilllllxd was not found in the RSHSC. (15:41:37) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Iliiilllllxd was not found in the RSHSC. (15:40:40) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Cynepkok was not found in the RSHSC. (15:38:50) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Farmmyseeds was not found in the RSHSC. (15:39:34) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Ch Wildscare was not found in the RSHSC. (15:42:31) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Bigdaddyoreo was not found in the RSHSC. (16:06:25) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: Think Wize was not found in the RSHSC. (16:07:44) -[PT]RuneScript- *** [ CLAN ]: L Harmz Mike was not found in the RSHSC. In before they are "apps" Cyne can be excused I guess. In before "intros" Kinda suspicious how he intros with one post less than 2hrs before the prep. In before they get added to ML: (These screenies were taken during the time of this fight) So congrats on the win, but lets try not to claim facts that aren't true. P.S Don't spam RoT name, Sol name, C name, etc, etc unless you are legitimately part of that clan/community.