Eruption

wats the point, they got steamrolled by foe they clearly aren't even competition for us

apologies to all the tlp members that saw the title and were excited to come on here and post expected, only to be horribly dissapointed ;p gj eop pplz we did gud

p2p matched foe - lost to eop/fi recently but still on consistency the best eop - recently beat foe, beat fi in the last few p2p preps we had, although that was a long time ago fi - only other clan to beat foe in the last year or two tlp - seemed to have dipped lately, hasnt beaten any of the top 3 in a long time, got 3-0'd by foe easily mm - don't recall them ever beating any of the above npo - beat the below recently havoc - can beat any of tha above on their day zenith - good days and bad days

We've had some really nice stuff done in the past when IX was making a lot for us, and before that Danny|Ava, although right now we don't really have a main gfx guy, XQ is good but he doesn't make much. If i had to say right now i'd say Havoc have some nice pieces.

i haven't f2p mini'd for a month or two but for most of the last 2 years we've easily beaten anyone in a f2p mini if the majority of our people were our "unit", difference is unlike clans like fi and cp, we don't only mini with our unit and we pretty much let anyone get minis whenever they want as long as they have people on. CP's f2p mini unit is good though, mainly because its the same kids i was mini'ing against 2 and a half years ago, although back then most of the minis were 20 def cap and thats when they did a lot better, nowadays most are 1 def cap and they don't do as well. I don't know why people are saying FI's f2p mini unit is so good, whenever i've mini'd against "pbk0's mini unit" in the past its been a bunch of level 80 kids from finland or holland or something and its not uncommon for our old gmt unit (tayyab, jonty, tastemyscim, leech, bxtxd, lead slugs, etc.) to beat them without even losing 1 person lol. as for p2p i don't really know or care, every clan has a handful of level 120's and since dung came out all p2p minis have been are dscim spec - pile with mauls, not even fun anymore.

Sorry but this topic is stupid, The gist of it is that you're saying what annoys you the most is the way that other clans judge and make fun of other clans for the way they do things such as their requirements or their recruitment techniques, well no **** other clans do that because the decisions you clans make in respect to the way you run it affects all your competitors as well. If you decide to start mass recruiting and letting anyone come on your trips, obviously other clans are going to be affected and have opinions on that when you start hitting them with 30 more people then you would normally have. If one of our rivals has a zerk clan on speed dial to help them when they are losing, why would we not laugh at them for it? Sure its the way they have chosen to run their clan but when it affects us we're obviously going to have something to say about it. If you don't like other clans having opinions on your own, seperate your clan from this community and don't fight anyone here, because otherwise other clans are ALWAYS going to have things to say about the way your clan is run.

Pink Clay, Baby Berry and Tayyab pretty much all u need.

Come back to where it all began, i remember you were in eop about 2 and a half years ago before you left to start opening clans, its still mostly the same people running the clan, and you enjoyed it when you were there before.

well m4n you aren't welcome in eop, so try one of the number of clans we spend our days bullying, for example fatality.

Leader(s) Goop, Walli, High Council(s) Jonty, Peter (Malice), Solo, Speshls, Tayyab Warlord(s)/PK Leader(s)/(s) Cronic ko, Pepe Mahat, Preschool, w0w2many Members As many maxed 35 defence turmoilers as possible and Azrael, although he won't be allowed to actually come to any events

so pretty much your whole post was fishing through the kdr logs for kdr's from 4 months ago to find when we didn't have good kdr's on a sunday trip...then make the assumption it was due to us losing to clans below us because some of them had good kdr's. In that logic did you ever think maybe the two were completely unrelated, clans like TLP got good kdr on sunday's by crashing clans like IR and WAR and then going straight back to lobby and single to get as few deaths as possible and without ever actually having proper fights. Meanwhile, especially around that period in novemberish, most of our fights were crashed by FOE and/or MM, and we had both HF and KO getting our locs from MM/TLP and chasing us around in single whenever they could. And the only times us and FOE ever fought together in p2p was when MM and HF would team on them, and then we'd help them out and make it a 2v2, and even that only happened 2 or 3 times. We cleared MM by ourselves in p2p numerous times over a few months period during last year, and when we haven't been able to, we've just been hitting clans like fi and tlp while trying to avoid getting crashed by mm/foe. So you just wrote a textwall saying that because our fights get crashed and because our competitors leak our locs to main clans, we are not as good as the lil clans that pull 30 to p2p because they had a good kdr. ok m8 thats about your 3rd straight post that made no sense, maybe you should just stop. The fact you resorted to spending 20 minutes on paint making kdr charts to try and say that kdr shows who is better than who is quite laughable. Are you telling me that when MM has a .2 kdr after getting raped by FOE for 2 hours, that clans like Havoc are better than them because they have a 1.0 kdr from sitting on ne steps barraging scouts? This discussion is really starting to bore me and i'm starting to feel like an idiot for having to explain why your logic is flawed when its so painfully obvious to anyone.

seemed like a respectable clan that had a fair bit of fun, good luck to yall and yeh, inb4cp claim they closed another clan they had nothing to do with, lol.

, fighting these clans would mean your clan isn't one of the main HPC's. In fact, according to your argument the ONLY clans who have competed with the best every single weekend would be FOE and MM, the rest have all once and for a while competed with MPC clans when in slump and loss of hype. Again, I suggest you look to take up a new profession if you really are Jonty lol i don't really wanna bomb this topic with our discussion but meh, the fact you misquoted me is kinda annoyin so i guess i'll reply again. My reply said #1 or 2 F2P, not P2P, so i hope that clears that up for you. I said we were top 3 p2p for most of the past 2 years which is correct, as i said TLP do occasionally have a lilguy clan close into them and pull well for a few weeks, and that would be the times that we aren't in the top 3 p2p, but for the MOST of the time (as i said), we are. I don't know where in my comment you got that i said we're better than MM in p2p, obviously when they outpull us by 15 we aren't. And i don't really see your point in your final paragraph. Are you implying that a top 3 clan can only fight the other 2 clans? And if we kill a smaller clan suddenly we're on their level? C'mon man think about it, you misquote me in your first paragraph and then make a nonsensical comment in your second, you're saying i need a new profession but at least i can keep up a coherent argument :\ and @ flash cutter, we had about 57 in our first fight, and just over 50 in our 2nd/3rd fights, any EoP member will confirm that for you. And i'm afraid your estimation on our prep record is also wrong, but then again i wouldn't expect you to know when Fi has declined any prep in either server for the last year because "we don't want to get flamed." :\ You're claiming I misquoted you when you're misquoting me. When TLP were hyped up, the top 3 competitors were MM/FOE/TLP, EOP was the fourth; this is for F2P. In P2P, easily the dominant 2 were TLP/FOE, the third was MM (Who I believe GWAS'd you guys and ran trains on you and even FOE off and on until around March) making you once again fourth in P2P. What is your point about a clan closing into TLP, if a fraction of a clan joins TLP, then I guess a clan closed into you when a fraction of CT joined EOP after closing. The point of my third paragraph was that you were competing with some of these clans, your video will obviously claim you were winning because you crashed a few fights when they had 15~ people left. Keep this in mind, Jonty, I know you're the slowest one in class so I'll try to help you out. TLP also had a few fights vs these clans, they also claimed they won, but fact is they were given a good fight so therefore they are competing with them. Because they are in the same situation as you, you two are either A)A major HPC B)A minor HPC That's ok though Jonty, in life I am a major, you're a minor. Back to class ;P no point in continuing the discussion when you're just making stuff up, the factual basis of your argument is just completely wrong, i don't remember TLP ever beating EoP in the f2p wilderness, at least not in the last 3 years, so you saying they were a consistent member of the top 3 f2p and beating us just doesn't really make any sense. The same with claiming that TLP were ever dominant over MM in p2p for any extended period of time, ever competed with FOE in p2p for more than a few weeks at a time, or were dominant over us in p2p in the last few years, the facts to back up yo **** just aren't there lokz. I think the last paragraph was just a kinda tl;dr flame bait so i don't rly even need to respond to that bit, so i guess our fun lil discussion is done until u can actually prove anything ur saying, otherwise just continue looking the fool :P

Fi didn't have 1 topic for the entire weekend ..? l00o0o0ol We don't post topics m8 yeh thats what i hear from Fi when they get smashed, then if they win a prep or manage to beat ef in the wildy or something suddenly theres a flashy topic up on pw ;p We only post preps, and occasionally a trip topic if we smash certain clans more then usual. But yeah like I said if you guys feel the need to talk all this ****, you should probably back it up otherwise you're going to lose the hype that is keeping your head above water for the moment hahahahahahahhaha m8 u r 2 funny

, fighting these clans would mean your clan isn't one of the main HPC's. In fact, according to your argument the ONLY clans who have competed with the best every single weekend would be FOE and MM, the rest have all once and for a while competed with MPC clans when in slump and loss of hype. Again, I suggest you look to take up a new profession if you really are Jonty lol i don't really wanna bomb this topic with our discussion but meh, the fact you misquoted me is kinda annoyin so i guess i'll reply again. My reply said #1 or 2 F2P, not P2P, so i hope that clears that up for you. I said we were top 3 p2p for most of the past 2 years which is correct, as i said TLP do occasionally have a lilguy clan close into them and pull well for a few weeks, and that would be the times that we aren't in the top 3 p2p, but for the MOST of the time (as i said), we are. I don't know where in my comment you got that i said we're better than MM in p2p, obviously when they outpull us by 15 we aren't. And i don't really see your point in your final paragraph. Are you implying that a top 3 clan can only fight the other 2 clans? And if we kill a smaller clan suddenly we're on their level? C'mon man think about it, you misquote me in your first paragraph and then make a nonsensical comment in your second, you're saying i need a new profession but at least i can keep up a coherent argument :\ and @ flash cutter, we had about 57 in our first fight, and just over 50 in our 2nd/3rd fights, any EoP member will confirm that for you. And i'm afraid your estimation on our prep record is also wrong, but then again i wouldn't expect you to know when Fi has declined any prep in either server for the last year because "we don't want to get flamed." :\

Fi didn't have 1 topic for the entire weekend ..? l00o0o0ol We don't post topics m8 yeh thats what i hear from Fi when they get smashed, then if they win a prep or manage to beat ef in the wildy or something suddenly theres a flashy topic up on pw ;p Your clan made a topic biggin itself up moaning how Fi was better than it now. You lost all your preps you cannot compete matched vs any other HPC. You only beat clans in the wild when you out opt them :/ lol. Your topics are disrespectful and show the kind of maturity people should expect from EOP. A real eye opener >.> if it wasn't already expected.. Funny that you would flame us for prep performance when Fi has refused to prep us for over a year now, and why do you keep posting around PW implying we're badly organized when we beat your clan 3 times on saturday with similar, or even less opts. If we're bad i guess that makes you terrible :/ lol. Our topics tell it how it is, they aren't as "respectful" as yours because why would we need to give respect to flavour of the week clans like Fi who undoubtably will be back to pulling 30 in a month or so. And if you were going to quote my previous reply you could have at least made it relevant to what we were discussing, that your boy Mitch saying the reason you have no topic at all this weekend is that you don't post them on PW, yet i think we both really know that isn't the case aye flash ma boy ;p

the speech was ok and ima let u finish and all, but T7emon Arrow was the best black p2p leader of all time..OF ALL TIME.

Fi didn't have 1 topic for the entire weekend ..? l00o0o0ol We don't post topics m8 yeh thats what i hear from Fi when they get smashed, then if they win a prep or manage to beat ef in the wildy or something suddenly theres a flashy topic up on pw ;p

You were competing with Outrage for a while, so that would mean your whole argument defines EOP as one of the lower 'HPC's . You guys are strong, you have a good core. I'm not trying to say you don't, but to rate yourself above TLP is dumb. You guys are in the same level, in different aspects. EOP has always stayed dominant in F2P on Saturdays and most Fridays, TLP has always stayed dominant in Clan Wars Matched fights (even some full outs outnumbered wink hint and all that gay ****). Both, however, have proven to be a forced to reckon with against FOE/MM at different times. This is, what everyone is claiming (kind of like an excuse) what FI apparently has: Hype. I'm talking about on mandatory trips which is, for nearly all clans, the most important event(s). Sure a few times a year TLP pull well to a Sunday trip and fight FOE, but consistently EoP are competing with FOE/MM, something TLP never have and probably never will do. Yes, alright. Sure a few times of the year EOP pull well and fought FOE and MM, but there was also times where EOP had to compete with Outrage, due to MM/FOE pulling 90s+ while EOP only pulled 50-60. The only times we ever "competed" with Outrage were in P2P, and that was not because our pulls were too low, but because they got a fullout with us, cancelled it on the day it was going to happen, then proceeded to talk a lot of **** to us about a midweek fight we had at gdz. Then we bullied them on Sunday's for about 2 weeks and they made a public apology. We've been either #1 or #2 f2p for the last 2 years and in the top 3 in p2p for most of the last 2 years, you can' t really deny that, unless you're still angry because we 3-0'd you in a few preps and you got angry and said you'd never prep us again because we got veng'd ;p I'm guessing you weren't at Fi's saturday trip where you got 3-0'd by us, despite having more opts than us in the 1st fight and similar in the 2nd/3rd, and despite us already having fought 3 clans on 1 inventory when you tried to catch us off guard in the 3rd fight ;p Get your clan used to pulling more than 35 to trips for a while and practise competing at larger opts before you start talking trash about bigger clans organization, because you just look silly :P.

Fi didn't have 1 topic for the entire weekend ..? l00o0o0ol

saturday mm eop foe fi cp/nme sunday foe mm eop tlp fi

You were competing with Outrage for a while, so that would mean your whole argument defines EOP as one of the lower 'HPC's . You guys are strong, you have a good core. I'm not trying to say you don't, but to rate yourself above TLP is dumb. You guys are in the same level, in different aspects. EOP has always stayed dominant in F2P on Saturdays and most Fridays, TLP has always stayed dominant in Clan Wars Matched fights (even some full outs outnumbered wink hint and all that gay ****). Both, however, have proven to be a forced to reckon with against FOE/MM at different times. This is, what everyone is claiming (kind of like an excuse) what FI apparently has: Hype. I'm talking about on mandatory trips which is, for nearly all clans, the most important event(s). Sure a few times a year TLP pull well to a Sunday trip and fight FOE, but consistently EoP are competing with FOE/MM, something TLP never have and probably never will do. If you're talking about clan wars preps, well small clans often have the advantage over big clans if they're just a small clan of cw prods with high levels, fighting a large clan that has to play not only their high level cw prod members, but also their lower levelled and sometimes less experienced members. Thats why these smaller p2p cw clans like CPR, Tribulation and, TLP have been really competitive at the top end of p2p preps but don't really get much time with the big dogs in the wilderness.

whats the point in fighting MM when they have 20 more than us when we could be killing Fatality instead, which is a lot more fun :P its even more fun when we know we're having fun and mm aren't having any fun in conclusion it was a lot of fun fun fun and @ the guy who replies on da last page, we had slightly less than fi in the first fight, and pretty much similar in the others.

i find the most confusing thing about this topic that you bracketed TLP with clans like FOE and MM, theres only 3 real "HPC's", and thats the only 3 clans that have been consistently competing at the top for the last 2 years or longer, MM, FOE and EoP. The other older clans i wouldn't really classify in the same bracket, and i think newer clans definately have a chance to compete with those. In the past year we've seen new clans like Zenith, Control and Havoc be able to compete with and beat Fi/TLP/CP in at least one server, so long as you have a strong core of members to begin with its possible, and experienced leadership of course. But will a newer clan, or even the other older ones ever be able to compete with MM/FOE/EoP in the long term? I doubt it, everytime anyone gets close they just get pounded relentlessly by the 3 aforementioned clans and slump within 3 weeks.