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I have no idea. I suspect that it wouldn't be an easy choice. I could give you my noble assurances that I'd refuse to be part of the mass murder under any circumstances. That would be lying. I have no idea how I'd act if my life was under immediate threat, because it never has been.

I do. I don't know anyone who doesn't value human life. I think that evolution has hardwired us thus, which would make perfect sense. He's going to come back and say something along the lines that you should be against abortions because it's killing life. I'm looking forward to that because I, quite truthfully, can't see the purpose of his last question.

I do. I don't know anyone who doesn't value human life. I think that evolution has hardwired us thus, which would make perfect sense.

Or think if we would've aborted Hitler or Stalin or Saddam. Wuda shuda cuda. This piece of pro-life propaganda has a very special place in my heart, I place it right under M for moronic gibberish.

You'd give 7 lil' kids life sentence? Most of us do stupid things when we're young that we later regret. I know I've done my share. They should get a reasonable punishment and mandatory counseling. The rest is up to the parents.

I was asking just that. I can't think of the single cell embryo as a baby, no matter how I spin it in my mind. Nor can I place the single moment in time when "the baby becomes a baby" near the moment that fertilization happens. Therefore the only moral dilemma I see is that it _could_ be a baby, but I don't see that any different from the first questions I asked you to answer. There could be a baby at every chance to reproduce. I conclude then that the choice you make not to have one is not immoral at that point, nor is it immoral(perhaps even less so as the woman has rights too) when a pregnant mother wants an abortion before certain irreversible point in her pregnancy. I have to also say that I'd most likely be pro-choice even if abortion couldn't be distinguished from killing a baby. There are often very good reasons behind it and I think that the woman, a conscious and moral being, carrying the fetus has the ultimate power to decide on its fate. I don't want to read news stories of women jumping down stairwells or bleeding to death with other abortion methods because allowing them to use the safe method is against my personal moral values. No, the very thought of that sickens me.

We can agree on some common physiological phase when an embryo becomes a fetus or the fetus becomes a baby. In reality, it is an ongoing process, that continues after the child is born. Actually, when you think about it, we are still involved in that specific process, that begun when our mothers were fertilized and ends when our body dies. Fascinating, but hardly relevant here. What is more interesting to me is: when does a fetus/child develop conciousness? This is a really tricky one, I agree. When does abortion become manslaughter? I'm not qualified to answer this. Obviously there must be a limit, but in this topic we are debating whether abortion should be legal at all. All I can say for certain is that I'm against killing a born child, and I'm ready to allow the killing of a micro-level embryo. I'll leave the inbetween to medical and legal experts. I'm confused here. I will ask you the very same question you asked me: Where *exactly* does your pro-choice end and pro-life begin and why?

It is in every sense preferable, that if we one day have to limit population growth, it will first and foremost be by choice, not by law. It is better for the children, it is better for the parents and it is better for the society as a whole. I don't see any way of arguing against abortion with purely logical reasons. Feel free to prove me wrong. You may deem it as being afraid of the process, but just as well it might be simply wanting to avoid wasting a long time of your life under painful circumstances due to one mistake, perhaps as simple as forgetting to take your pills. Thank God I haven't been one for years. Then are you against sex when the purpose is by using condoms to murder all the little spermatozoa, some of which would gladly see the day of light as smiling, innocent little babies? Or against not reproducing when you have the opportunity to, seeing as any chance to have sex with a fertile partner is a chance for new life. If your answer to those questions is Yes, I salute you as a fellow moral being with values different from mine. If your answer is No, I deem you a hypocrite, willing to go Pro-Life when it follows your fixed mindset or the ideology induced on you by your surroundings.

I suspect it's because of too many meta-topics.

I don't see the moral difference between "pro-life" and the argument that you should only have sex to reproduce. Every time you use pills or condom you kill millions of little spermatozoa that deserve to be born! Actually every time you want to **** a fertile partner but you don't you essentially kill children! I'm all for abortion. In our current state when we know that the world will be heavily overpopulated in the very near future, it is completely absurd that we force someone to reproduce against their own will, often resulting in a worse quality of life for both the pregnant mother and the offspring (as opposed to a child born into a family fully accepting and anticipating her). It is also inhuman and totalitarian to force a person to go through 9 months of altering physical states including backpains, nausea and vomiting, then through an extremely painful labor, only to watch in pain as her child is taken away from her because she can't afford to take care of him. It's not only against everything I stand for, it's disgusting. More disgusting than holocaust.

If you cheated on one round it's 2-1. Gz anyway.

Excellent.

Lol at FI receiving positive EOP propaganda. GJ FI

Go 40 or go home.

Preps are for clans that require practice.

Here's a really good vid for you http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sopa-and-...American+Civics

Big surprise? Democrats get more pay-checks from MPAA/Hollywood, naturally they will want to protect those interests. In industries mainly backing up republicans it goes the other way around. Welcome to monecracy.

What happened here :o A lot of 1 hits and FI calling seems off to say at least. Gj MA

I believe this topic was about Fatality beating FOE in a mini. Why all the butthurt? Good job, the calling seemed very effective.

Basically copyright holders can force Internet service providers to limit access to websites or services that provide or link to pirate software/music/movies. Suffice to say that the largest pirate website affected would be Google.

Gj ACing 'em 60s n 70s, HA is thrilled and will repay the favor

Aye, that would be PH.

First I was like: :blink: :thumbsup: Then I was like: Lol EOP. Regardless, pure clans should do this more.

My peenor knows what's too old or too young, other than that I'm fine with everything. Once again a useless topic. How about "Does spaghetti taste good or bad?" or "Is My Bloody Valentine good music?`" or "What is the best color for a ferrari?"